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Just got my Superliners as well as a few Viewliners and one Amfleet in today. Absolutely gorgeous cars, I love the Sightseer Lounge car. I had one duplicate road number sleeper, but otherwise seems like a flawless set.

Just got the rest of the cars unboxed, I'll post more photos and videos in a minute but wanted to go ahead and give some more detailed thoughts on the cars. Overall I'm incredibly pleased with how they turned out.

Superliners: The trucks on these cars are very well done. Being Superliner I cars, they have a unique design which has only been done previously in O Scale by Overland brass. The trucks have many separately applied parts which captures the look of the prototype nicely. I wish the bearing caps rotated, but otherwise great trucks, which roll freely as well. There is no underbody detail but that is to be expected and would be pointless on cars that sit as low as these do. The paint and finish is very nice and captures the look of stainless steel. The striping, logos, and lettering are pretty good with only minor imperfections. There are separately applied grab irons, handrails, and stirrup steps. The windows sit flush with the car and have simulated rubber gaskets which look nice. I would've preferred if the windows were slightly tinted to match the prototype however. The interiors are pretty good. The layouts are all prototypical for each car, but I will be repainting all the interior walls and adding details/ more modern figures. While I'm not the biggest fan of GGD's "little people" figures, these cars do have more figures than any other cars I've bought from them over the years with some cars having as many as 15 people in them. The seats in the lounge and coaches are well detailed and correctly oriented, but do not match the shape of the real ones. The LED lighting is an appropriately warm hue and the cars have capacitors for flicker free operation. Lighting in the sleepers isn't as even as other cars due to the walls for the rooms, however this is honestly probably more realistic as not all rooms would have the lights on. Each car has red marker lights on both ends which can be turned on or off by a switch on the bottom of the car. Unfortunately, if you turn them on it does both ends of the car rather than being able to choose one end.

Amfleet: I only bought one Amfleet (hopefully they'll do Amfleet IIs soon). All comments about paint and lighting from the Superliners carry over. The trucks roll much stiffer but that's not surprising given that they are inside bearings. I ordered a café car but it has a coach interior so I'm not sure if that was a factory mistake or an error on GGD's part.

Viewliners: I got 3 from the first run a couple years ago and 3 more this time. The paint is a spot on match between both runs. The dining car interior layout is correct but there are unnecessary partitions in the dining section of the car and then an odd table where the kitchen wall should be (this car is from the first run, not sure if they updated that in the second). The baggage dorm car (really cool in real life and model form) has luggage racks in the bag section which the full baggage doesn't (also possibly due to different production runs). One thing that really impressed me with the sleepers is that the Phase III cars have tan interior walls and maroon beds/ seats while the Phase VI cars have white walls and blue beds/ seats which is prototypical as the real cars have different interior finishes, great attention to detail GGD! I do wish they had taken the time to model the Viewliner I underbody for the Phase VI cars instead of the Viewliner II enclosed underbody, but not a deal breaker. These cars roll well like the Superliners.

All in all I'm super happy with all these cars. Most of the critiques I had were me being super nitpicky just because I ride Amtrak so much. It's great to finally have a scale modern Amtrak train. @sdmann you and your team should be very proud of these cars. I eagerly await the P42s and Chargers I have ordered to pull them, and please please please make Amfleet II coaches so I can complete my single level train.

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I had plans to keep my K-Line Superliner II's until I reviewed the sample models for these in February.  No comparison.  Even the Overland ones don't quite match the quality of these as the Overland ones do not have interiors.  I was thrilled with the outcome of these cars and those Waggon Union MD-76 trucks make the car in my mind.  It took 4 or 5 revisions in design to get it to look right and we finally found the original manufacturer's literature on the prototype to get them right.

Looking forward to receiving my Phase III cars!

@GG1 4877 posted:

I had plans to keep my K-Line Superliner II's until I reviewed the sample models for these in February.  No comparison.  Even the Overland ones don't quite match the quality of these as the Overland ones do not have interiors.  I was thrilled with the outcome of these cars and those Waggon Union MD-76 trucks make the car in my mind.  It took 4 or 5 revisions in design to get it to look right and we finally found the original manufacturer's literature on the prototype to get them right.

Looking forward to receiving my Phase III cars!

I fully agree Jonathan. Please post pictures of your cars when they arrive!

Very nice pictures, you guys! Unfortunately, I did not have the funding to reserve these cars, or the Genesis locomotives this time around, but I'm somewhat confident it won't be too hard to get them in the future. I actually can't believe that the K-Line versions were the only actual scale-length models of these cars in 3-rail up until now. Besides that, if I felt like I had to, I would've just gotten some of the OMI Superliners and then just put 3-rail trucks on them. As long as the switch worked out fine and they performed well, I would've had no problem doing that. But for such a well-known passenger car even to this day, I just thought it was funny that we had very little examples of proper scale-length models. I know there were also longer ones made by Williams, but I know they weren't meant to be exactly "state-of-the-art".

Also, what's the minimum curve on these cars? Is it 72", or can they do 54"?

@carnerd3000 posted:

I actually can't believe that the K-Line versions were the only actual scale-length models of these cars in 3-rail up until now.

Also, what's the minimum curve on these cars? Is it 72", or can they do 54"?

I believe the cars require 72" diameter curves.

The K-Line Superliners are excellent models, but K-Line only modeled the cars in Amtrak's Phase IV paint scheme; Golden Gate Depot offered the cars in all paint schemes (Phase I through Phase IV).

-John

Williams made 20" cars (80'). But "scale" would be 21.5" (85'). The Williams cars are basically jumbo versions of Lionel postwar-style aluminum cars, down to the lack of interiors, frosted window strips with silhouettes, and incandescent bulbs. Way back when, CTT's review likened them to disco-era platform shoes.

---PCJ

I have a 6-car set of the 15" versions bought upon initial release. I've never gotten around to running them.

I can't imagine these cars doing O-54 curves, they are very big and a you can see the gap between them is fairly close to scale.

It is somewhat ironic, I was thinking how it's nice to have modern scale Amtrak equipment then I realized the real cars are pushing 50 years old, so it really is kind of ridiculous it took this long to get proper models of them. The K-Line cars were nice, but as mentioned only offered in one paint scheme and they never made the iconic lounge car. Additionally as rare as they have been on the secondhand market, the K-Line cars were going for about the same price as the GGD version.

Got my replacement for the duplicate sleeper number in so I'm up to a correct 9 car train for most Western consists. Obviously the BN F units are a little out of place, but they'll work until the P42s arrive. The lighting in the cars looks great at night! I've got over 100 scale miles on the cars so far and operation has been flawless. No grades on the carpet central, but the single powered unit has no trouble pulling the train at speed step 175 (the fastest I'll go on O-72 curves).

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Attn Folks:

There are so many stand-by orders for Superliners, we are going to do a 2nd run. You can now reserve your Superliners in Phase 3, 4 and 6. Coach/Baggage, Coach, Sightseer Lounge, Diner or Sleeper or a set of all 5. The factory adjusted their prices to us, and we adjusted our prices a bit higher to keep in step with the costs. Car numbers produced will be the same as the first run.

We'll probably pull the trigger on these late this year, so reserve and save up. This will be the last run of Superliners for some time. Viewliners and Amfleets are not being produced in this run. These were already reruns.

For those of you with Stand-by Orders right now, we will wait until July 1st to consider what's in stock is available. We'll contact you in order of reservation date until all in-stock models are gone. The remaining stand-by reservations will be sent to the 2nd Run. We'll send confirmation to all of those customers when that time comes.

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservationGGD.htm

To Reserve:

Scott Mann

Scott, I'd much prefer it if we did the Superliner II's before a second run of the Superliner I's as we need the Superliner II transition car for our long distance trains. That, and I'd worry that it might be harder to do an initial run Superliner II's after a large number of Superliner I's are built. These are just my thoughts, but I hope you consider this.

@Surefire posted:

For install on the cars. They ship without them attached to reduce risk of damage.

I assumed that they needed to be installed on the cars but am still unsure about where on the cars, these needed to be installed. There are similar steps / stirrups around the baggage door openings, that came preinstalled.

I wonder if these extra parts were for use, specifically for 3-rail or 2-rail versions of these cars, similar to how Atlas-O has different details around the couplers, on their newer freight cars, depending on whether the car had truck-mounted, 3-rail, couplers vs 2-rail cars, with body-mounted couplers.

My Viewliner cars were both, 2-rail.

These are just my opinion,

Naveen Rajan

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The stirrups simulate the platform/step used when the cars are switched in a terminal or yard. If you look at the end of each car you will see a large hole with a small hole next to it; the stirrup sprue fits into the large hole, and the small hole is for the M1 screw included with the stirrups.

Each car has four stirrups; two with the screw hole drilled on the left side of the stirrup, and two with the screw hole drilled on the right side.

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Naveen-

The stirrups simulate the platform/step used when the cars are switched in a terminal or yard. If you look at the end of each car you will see a large hole with a small hole next to it; the stirrup sprue fits into the large hole, and the small hole is for the M1 screw included with the stirrups.

Each car has four stirrups; two with the screw hole drilled on the left side of the stirrup, and two with the screw hole drilled on the right side.

-John

John,

Thanks for figuring out the location of the stirrups.

Naveen Rajan

Can we try and put together a list of all of the roadnumbers associated with each type and phase? I'll start with the information that I have based on what I purchased and what I know a friend got. Feel free to share what car you got and your associated roadnum and I'll update the tables as we go.





SuperlinersPhase 3Phase 4Phase 6
Coach - Set 134010
Coach - Extra 2
Coach - Extra 3
Coach - Extra 4
Coach - Extra 5
Coach - Extra 6
Coach - Extra 7
Coach - Extra 834097
Coach Baggage - Set 131004
Coach Baggage -Extra 2
Coach Baggage -Extra 331016
Coach Baggage -Extra 4
Coach Baggage -Extra 5
Coach Baggage -Extra 6
Coach Baggage -Extra 7
Coach Baggage -Extra 8
Diner - Set 138006
Diner - Extra 2
Diner - Extra 3
Diner - Extra 4
Diner - Extra 5
Diner - Extra 6
Diner - Extra 7
Diner - Extra 8
Sleeper - Set 132004
Sleeper - Extra 2
Sleeper - Extra 3
Sleeper - Extra 4
Sleeper - Extra 5
Sleeper - Extra 6
Sleeper - Extra 732062
Sleeper - Extra 8
Sightseer Lounge - Set 133004
Sightseer Lounge - Extra 2
Sightseer Lounge - Extra 3
Sightseer Lounge - Extra 4
Sightseer Lounge - Extra 5
Sightseer Lounge - Extra 6
Sightseer Lounge - Extra 7
Sightseer Lounge - Extra 8


ViewlinerPhase 3Phase 6
Baggage - Name 1
Baggage - Name 2
Baggage - Name 361025
Baggage - Name 461069
Bag/Dorm - Name 1
Bag/Dorm - Name 2
Bag/Dorm - Name 3
Bag/Dorm - Name 4
Diner - Name 1
Diner - Name 2
Diner - Name 3
Diner - Name 4
Sleeper - Name 1
Sleeper - Name 2
Sleeper - Name 3
Sleeper - Name 4


Amfleet 1Phase 3Phase 6
Café - ??
Dinette - ??
Club - ??
Coach - ??

* I haven't seen the box end for the amfleets yet, so I don't know how many were made of each possible type.

I'm fine with more Superliner I sets for the reasons Scott stated above. However I would like to see Superliner II transition sleepers since the Superliner I transition sleepers are not being released in phase 6. I know Amtrak doesn't always use a transition sleeper on the long distance trains, but it still looks nice. 

@seank941 posted:

I'm fine with more Superliner I sets for the reasons Scott stated above. However I would like to see Superliner II transition sleepers since the Superliner I transition sleepers are not being released in phase 6. I know Amtrak doesn't always use a transition sleeper on the long distance trains, but it still looks nice.

Sean, there is no such thing as a Superliner I transition sleeper. At the time, Amtrak was still using the former Santa Fe Hi-Level transition car for this role. This car type was only purchased in the second order, the Superliner II. Similarly, there is no Superliner II Coach Baggage car. That car type was only present in the first order. See the wiki link below for a table of the car types and numbers spread across the two orders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...er_(railcar)#Summary

I can post a list of all the various car names / numbers this weekend.  I selected them so I don't think that will be problem?

Now that these are finally out there, I can share some of the sample pictures I took back in February when I had some cars to review in person.  The top two photos are the K-Line Superliner II on the left and the GGD one on the right. 

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For me, the lounge is a work of art in any paint scheme.  The decision was made to forgo the tinted windows because the interiors of these turned out so nicely.  The interior colors changed between Phase II-III and IV-VI and these cars capture that change.  The design and graphics of the cars underwent extensive review by Amtrak's brand manager who was instrumental in picking out the small details that aren't always easy to find in photos such as correct fonts and heights.  Also, kudos to the Asian design partners who put up with 5 rounds of corrections to the Waggon Union MD-76 trucks these cars ride on.  While the GSI-G70 trucks on the SL IIs certainly ride better in the real world, these European designed trucks are unique on passenger cars in this hemisphere.

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Closeup of the interior colors on the phase II and III cars.  There were a few critical corrections made based on this photo alone.  I am very happy I had the chance to do some "rough handling" of the samples prior to full production. 

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Another comparison photo with the GGD SL I on top and the K-Line SL II below.  The black trucks are correct for SL I cars in all phases while the silver is correct on the SL II trucks on the K-Line car.  The biggest distinguishing features for me are the detail of the gaskets at the windows as opposed to only the punched openings and the refinement of detail at the louvers and doors at the lower level.    

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The K-Line cars were absolutely wonderful for their time, and I may yet hold onto my three phase IV coaches to mix with the Phase III and Phase VI sets I still have coming, but seeing these side by side there isn't a lot of comparison.  Being predominantly Amtrak Phase III modeler, these SL IIs just fit into the end of the period of Amtrak I enjoy the most as they were the first Amtrak cars to wear the Phase IV paint scheme in 1994.  One of the decisions behind doing SL I was the four paint schemes these cars have seen over their 45-year life span.  SL II cars only were painted in Phase IV and VI.  The big question is, will the SL fleet see a Phase VII paint scheme now that a Genesis was painted in Phase VII? 

Now onward to Genesis and Charger models!  Genesis designs are in great shape and Chargers are in progress. 

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"Now onward to Genesis and Charger models! Genesis designs are in great shape and Chargers are in progress.



Jonathan"

PLEASE DONT TELL ME both the Genesis and Chargers will be in the same production run and arriving at the same time! [ like the viewliner and amfleet rerun with the Superliner cars/sets]!

My wallet took a big beating already!

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